I have noticed that few preppers are actually prepared to list the equipment that they have in their B.O.B. I am not sure why this is. "When packing for the trail there must be a compromise between two principles; minimum weight & maximum self reliance". I wonder how many preppers actually follow this basic rule/advise. Maximum self reliance long term in my opinion should involve thinking about the sustainability of one's equipment. Note we are talking about (a) bugging out away from one's home, & (b) we are talking long term. I have posted on the long term benefit & other benefits of carrying 18th century equipment including the use of a flintlock muzzle-loading gun or rifle (& pistol if possible), but many do not agree with my opinions on this, instead preferring to carry modern equipment including modern firearms for hunting & self defence. Common sense, at least to me, dictates that modern ammo in quantity is heavy to carry, unless perhaps you are carrying a .22 rimfire or an air rifle. Common sense to me also dictates that modern gadgets do not last, batteries are heavy & go flat, many multi-use tools don't actually do any particular job well, gadgets break, take up room in the pack & add to the weight. In my opinion there are far better items that need to be carried. Even IF you are a big strong chap & can carry a lot of weight, you surely would have to wonder if it was better to be carrying more food instead of that gadget/radio/solar charger/torch/etc etc? I have always said that a modern gun is better in a fire fight than a muzzle-loading gun being used against others using modern guns, but If I could only carry one gun with me, I would still carry my flintlock fusil. So fess-up people, what are your thoughts on this? Do you think it would be better to be carrying a 12 gauge shotgun & the extra weight of ammo & worry about running out of ammo when it happens? Can you carry everything you consider essential & still expect to survive long term in the wilderness comfortably? Have you really thought this through? Do you have the skills to live long term away from your home? Keith.